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U-Ian Haworth, owayesakuba lilungu lenkolo, ebesebenza e-UK IZiko loLwazi lweNkcubeko ukusukela ngo-1987. Apho, yena neqela lakhe babonelela ngolwazi, isikhokelo, kunye noncedo kwabo bafuna ukushiya ihlelo, kwabo sele belishiyile, nakwizihlobo nakwiintsapho ezichaphazelekayo. Ndimbambe kutshanje ukuze ndiqonde ukuba isebenza njani ihlelo lanamhlanje.

MediaMente: Molo, Ian. Kwenzeka njani ukuba ujoyine ihlelo ngokwakho?
UIan Haworth: Bendisenza ivenkile ngenye imini [eToronto] kwaye ndadibana nenenekazi elalindibuza ukuba ndingamnceda na kuphando. Ndavuma. Uye wandixelela ukuba I & apos; d ndingaba nomdla wokujoyina iqela loluntu alimeleyo, esithi 'Ayiloxesha lokuba ucinga ukubuyisela into eluntwini endaweni yokuthatha kuyo lonke ixesha njengabantu abaninzi?' Intlanganiso yayiquka intetho, elandelwa yikhefu lekofu, ilandelwe yifilimu. Xa kubizelwa ikhefu, abantu baqala ukungena egumbini bephethe zonke iintlobo zokutya. I & apos; ndihlawule i-1.50 yeedola ukuba ndibekho, ndiye ndacinga ukuba andizukuyifumana imali yam.

Ndaye ndagqiba kwelokuba ndiyokutshaya, xa umntu wagxalathelana esithi, 'Hayi, besingazi ukuba uyatshaya. Ungatshaya apha ngaphandle, kodwa ngaba ukhe wacinga ngokuyeka? ' Malunga nenyanga ngaphambi koku ugqirha wam wayendixelele ukuba andizukufa ngela xesha ndandineminyaka engama-40 ukuba andiyekanga ukutshaya, ke yena & ampos; babetha indawo endinomdla kuyo. Ikhosi yathatha iintsuku ezine kwaye baqinisekisa impumelelo. Ekupheleni kwekhosi ndibanike yonke imali ebendinayo, ndaye ndagqiba kwelokuba ndinikezele ubomi bam kubo, ndaza ndagqiba kwelokuba ndiyeke emsebenzini.

Kwakukhawuleza. Kwenzeka njani ukuba ekugqibeleni uhambe?
Ndingumntu owahluke ngokupheleleyo, kodwa ewe bendingayazi loo nto. Abahlobo bayayazi loo nto, umntu endandihlala naye egumbini wayazi lonto. Abantu babendoyika, abantu bendisizela, abantu baneemvakalelo ezahlukeneyo kodwa bengazi ukuba mabenze ntoni. Abantu emsebenzini babemangalisiwe kukuba I & apos; d ndingenise isaziso sam kuba ndiqhuba kakuhle. Xa ndandisebenza inyanga yam yokugqibela, iqela [iZiko loPhuhliso lweeNgqondo zePSI-ngoku alikho] labhengezwa kumajelo eendaba. Andizange ndikwenziwe ngokuchasene nemithombo yeendaba, ke bendivulekile kwigalelo leendaba. Yaphinda yavuselela ingqondo yam kwaye ndakwazi ukuhamba. Ndaye ndahamba kwiinyanga ezili-11 zokurhoxa kakhulu.

Ngaba uyakholelwa ukuba abantu abakrelekrele, abafundileyo banokubanjwa ngakumbi kunabantu abanesiphithiphithi okanye abanokuthi bathathwe njengabangazinzanga?
Le ngcamango yabantu abanenkxalabo yintsomi yanaphakade. Abantu bafuna ukucinga ukuba kunjalo ngoba abafuni kuzijonga 'njengabasesichengeni.' Andilisebenzisi igama elisesichengeni rhoqo, kodwa anditsho ukuba sonke sisesichengeni kubuchule obusetyenziswa ngala maqela. Ongasekhoyo uGqirha John G Clark, endimcaphula kakhulu, uthe abona bantu bakhuselekileyo ngabantu abagula ngengqondo. Abona bantu kulula ukubaqesha ngabo banolwazelelo, babuza iingqondo abafuna ukuxoxa ngemicimbi nabanye abantu. Uthatha umntu onomnqweno onamandla, onengqondo eqinileyo kwaye ubabeke kwindawo yehlelo kwaye iindlela ezisetyenzisiweyo ziya kumqhekeza umntu ngokukhawuleza okukhulu. Ukukrelekrele, ingqondo esempilweni, uyakhawuleza kwaye ululawule ukulawula. Yenye yezinto ezibuhlungu eziyinyani.

Ufumanise ukuba zeziphi ezona njongo ziphambili zokumisela kunye nokugaya abantu kwiicawa?
Iimpawu eziqhelekileyo ziya kuba ngabantu kunye nemali. Abanye banokonwabela nje amandla ababenawo phezu kwesixa sabantu; Abanye banokufuna, ukusuka kwigama ukuba, bafumane izibonelelo zemali kunye nokuqokelela ubutyebi obukhulu; abanye banokuba namanye amabhongo okuthatha umhlaba. Kukho abanye abanokukholelwa ngokwenyani ukuba bangoThixo, okanye nantoni na. Ndicinga ukuba ngabo bahlala begula ngengqondo, ngenxa yoko kukho umxube weenkokheli kwaye banokuba nezizathu ezahlukeneyo. Kodwa, kwakhona, izinto eziqhelekileyo ngabantu kunye nemali.

Uqikelela ukuba kukho phakathi kwe-500 ukuya kwi-1,000 yeenkolo e-UK. Ngaba ziyanda?
Ewe. Ukuba umntu ugwetyelwe kwihlelo elithile, loo mntu-phakathi kwezinye izinto-uzakube esiya kufuna abanye abantu. Nokuba kungokusesikweni okanye ngendlela engacwangciswanga, baya kuthobela imiyalelo kwiqela ukuba benze njani. Okanye bayakwenza ngokulula kuba baye baxubusha, baphakamile, bacula iindumiso zabo kwaye abanakulinda ukufumana abantu. Ke, njengokuba umntu ngamnye egaya abanye, uyakufumana ukukhula okubonakalayo kwalo mbutho-kwaye kuyafana nakubo bonke abanye. Emva koko ufumana umzabalazo wamandla kunye nokwahlukana kwamanye amaqela. Ufumana amanye amaqela, avela kwiindawo ezahlukeneyo zehlabathi, ebeka amasebe e-UK, ke yiyo into ekhulayo.

Ngaba ukhe ungene ngokungena kwiintlanganiso zehlelo ukuze ufumane ulwazi?
Hayi, iya kuba bubudenge obo. Asinakuze sicebise ukuba siye kuzo naziphi na iintlanganiso ezinenkolo kuba iindlela abazisebenzisayo zisebenza nakubani na, kubandakanya nam.

Yintoni ehlala ibangela ukuba ilungu lifune ukushiya ihlelo kwaye lifune uncedo kuwe?
Kungenxa yokuba iinkolo zisebenzisa iindlela zolawulo lwengqondo ukugaya abantu, ingqondo yomntu ilawulwa liqela. Ke ngoko umntu akasenolawulo okanye iinkqubo eziqhelekileyo zokucinga; Bakhubazekile, kwaye umntu akasakwazi kuvavanya ngokunzulu. Uba ngomnye umntu. Into eqhelekileyo kukuba into ethile ivuselela ingqondo ebaluleke kakhulu yelungu lenkolo. Inokuba yinto oyibonayo okanye oyivayo ongafanelanga ukuba uyibone okanye uyive ngaphakathi kweqela; isenokuba yinto umntu athi-xa usenza umsebenzi wokugaya okanye wokucela imali-athi kuwe. Ukuba ulungiselelwe ukuba uqonde ukuba abantu bakhohlakele kwaye bazokuchasa, kwaye ke banobubele kwaye banobubele ekusebenzisaneni nawe, oko kuya kuyiphazamisa inqwelo yeapile.

Ngeli xesha, zisebenza kangakanani iinkolo ekuzameni ukuba amalungu abuye?
Iyahluka. Ukuba ucinga into ethanda ukuba senkolweni, awucwangciswanga ukuba ucinge ukuba eli qela lizo zonke izinto kwaye liphela, kwaye nabani na oshiya eli qela uza kuva ubunzima. Ke unokuyibona iluncedo, njengelungu lehlelo, ukuzama ukunxibelelana nomntu olilungu langaphambili kwaye uzame ukubabuyisela ngaphakathi. Ke akuqhelekanga ukuba umntu alandelwe.

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Ngaba ezi ndlela zihlala zengqondo, okanye ukhe waqubisana nazo naziphi na iimeko zobundlobongela okanye izoyikiso zomzimba?
I & apos; ndijongane nabantu abaphume kwiinkolo nabaswelekileyo. Kwakukho ityala elalimele ukuba liye phambi kweenkundla — urhulumente wayejonge iqela elithile kwaye mhlawumbi ejonge ekususeni imeko yakhe yesisa-kwaye ingqina eliphambili, owayelilungu leqela, wafunyanwa exhonyiwe iposi yesibane. Abanye abantu bathi kukubulala, abanye abantu bathi kukuzibulala. Andazi.

Esinye isahluko endathetha naso eCanada sibalekile kumbutho kwaye sashukunyiswa kakubi. Ndidla ngokuthetha nabantu emnxebeni, kodwa ndacela ukudibana naye. Wayeseyunivesithi kwaye wayenomsebenzi omninzi ekufuneka ewenzile kuba wayesele eza kuqalisa iimviwo zakhe, ndaza ndathi, 'Ngaba ndingafowunelwa umntu kube kanye okanye kabini ngeveki ngelixa ufunda iimviwo zakho, Ukuqinisekisa ukuba ulungile? ' Uthe kulungile, kwaye yenzekile.

Emva kokuphela kweemviwo wafunyanwa enqunyulwe umqala ukusuka endlebeni kuye endlebeni kwaye, kwakhona, abanye bathi kukubulala, abanye bathi kukuzibulala. Amapolisa athi ukuzibulala. Usapho lwakhe lucebisile ukuba kukubulala. Mhlawumbi ungatsho ukuba usapho luya kuthi, kodwa utata wakhe wayengugqirha kwaye wathi akukho gazi laneleyo kwindawo apho umzimba wakhe wafunyanwa khona ukuba uzibulele.

Ukuba iinkolo ziyanda e-UK, yintoni enokwenziwa ukunqanda oku? Ngawaphi amanyathelo othintelo anokwenziwa?
Ngokukhawuleza urhulumente aqonde ukuba zeziphi iinkolo, bayakuthi ke baqonde ukuba kuninzi kangakanani okunokwenziwa ukulwa nobunqolobi. Ayisiyiwo amaqela abanqolobi asebenza phesheya, kodwa ikwangalawo enza radicalizing abantu kweli lizwe. Ukuba siqala ukuqonda ukuba zeziphi iinkolo malunga noku sizisebenzisa kule ndawo sinokubanakho ukusebenza ngakumbi ekuzameni ukunceda abantu abafuna ukubuyela kweli lizwe bevela eSyria, okanye naphi na apho baye khona, kwaye babuya ukuya kwesiqhelo kwaye ke ube yimithombo yolwazi elungileyo.

Amalungu angaphandle enkolo ayimithombo yolwazi. Abantu ekusenokwenzeka ukuba babanjiwe njengabagabadeli banokucetyiswa babuyele kwinyani ngokunjalo, ke kuninzi okunokwenziwa kuloo ndawo. Ndicinga ukuba kuninzi ekufuneka kwenziwe ngokubhekisele kwimfundo yoluntu kwesi sihloko, kodwa konke kuqala ngorhulumente eyayiqonda into eqhubekayo. Ndicinga ukuba kufuneka kubekho inkqubo yemfundo ngokubanzi ukunceda uluntu lwase-Bhritane ukuba lazi ukuba zisebenza njani iicawa, yintoni ekufuneka uyijongile kwaye, ke, thintela, kunye nendlela yokunceda amalungu angoku kunye nawangaphambili ukuba abuyele kwinyani.